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2021090120210904 (R4)As a society, we send close to 100,000 people to prison each year. But what happens to people while they're behind bars?

Their role is to help people in prison look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and figure out how to make changes to prevent further offending after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone who's ended up in prison, and what happened afterwards.

In this episode, they talk to 23 year-old Courtney, a mum who received a five-year sentence for her part in a series of armed robberies at the age of 17.

Through the course of the conversation, they explore some of the key events in Courtney's life and track some of the threads that led her down a path to prison.

At the same time, Sally and Kerensa explain some of the methods they use to reach the core factors that can lead to people harming others - and how they then work with people in prison to prevent further harm from happening in the future.

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Hugh Levinson

A BBC Radio Current Affairs and Prison Radio Association co-production for BBC Radio 4

Image: Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken. Credit: Christopher Terry/Prison Radio Association

Two forensic psychologists interview Courtney about her life and the crime she committed.

Chris2022080320221022 (R4)As a society, we send close to 100,000 people to prison each year. Criminal behaviour costs the country around £60 billion every year, according to Home Office research.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Their role is to help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

In this opening episode they talk to Chris, who received a prison sentence for a reckless arson. He was released in 2017.

On the face of it, Chris was a drug abuser with a track record of violent offences and robberies. In this remarkable interview, he describes himself as a ‘one-man crime wave'.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Chris's story, to understand the sequence of external influences that got Chris to the point where he was causing harm to himself, to others and to society as a whole.

Today, Chris has built a career for himself as a printer and a poet. He works for The Archer Project, a charity that supports homeless people in Sheffield.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Two forensic psychologists interview Chris about his life and the crimes he committed.

David2023041620230419 (R4)Criminal behaviour costs the country around £60 billion every year, according to Home Office research.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Their role is to help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

In this final episode they talk to David who served a prison sentence for fraud.

This is the story of a man working in a ‘fake it til you make it' environment, and who slipped into unethical, and then criminal behaviour almost without realising.

Through this extraordinary conversation, we see how David's habit of lying formed in his childhood, and why that deeply-rooted pattern of behaviour led to both success in business, and then to a humiliating downfall.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into David's story, to understand the sequence of external influences that led him to prison.

In prison, David saw a side of life he had never experienced before, and he shares his unique perspective on the criminal justice system that we, as a society, pay for.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Clare Fordham

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview David about his life and the crime he committed.

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Criminal behaviour costs the country around £60 billion every year, according to Home Office research.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Their role is to help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

In this episode they talk to Duewaine who spent the best part of 20 years in and out of prison for a series of hundreds, possibly thousands of robberies.

This is the story of a man for whom crime became a habit. On the face of it, his offending was blindly antisocial and repeatedly harmful.

Digging into Duewaine's formative years, we can see how these patterns of behaviour were formed, as Duewaine went from a child who was a promising footballer, loved dinosaurs and wanted to become a palaeontologist, to committing prolific crimes and wasting years and years of his life in prison.

And we discover the horrific incident that transformed Duewaine into the reliable, devoted father we meet today.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Duewaine's story, to understand the sequence of external influences that led him to repeated imprisonment.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Clare Fordham

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview Duewaine about his life and the crimes he committed.

Fran20231203This is the story of a young woman who got herself into difficulties by signing a lease on a commercial unit for a bakery business she was setting up without thinking through the implications. In order to cover the bills, she sought investment – but that investment was built on lies she told.

Fran was imprisoned for fraud.

When we dig back into Fran's formative experiences, we start to see the patterns that led to this catastrophic chain of events.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

They help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Fran's story, to understand the sequence of events that got Fran to the point where she committed a crime.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Clare Fordham

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview Fran about her life and the crime she committed.

Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken, two forensic psychologists working in prisons, interview people who have committed offences to understand their lives and the causes of crime.

Gary20231210This is the story of Gary, who served a prison sentence for his role in the supply for £4.2million of heroin.

But this eye-catching conviction is only a fraction of Gary's story.

Gary grew up in Dagenham, in Essex. Very early on in his life he developed strategies to help him fit in with other children in school – strategies that sparked a remarkable chain of events which have led him to imprisonment - and then into the world of conceptual art.

By casting our eye back to Gary's childhood and early adulthood, it's possible to see characteristics that would influence the pathway his life would take.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

They help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Gary's story, to understand the sequence of events that got Gary to the point where he committed a crime.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Clare Fordham

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview Gary about his life and the crimes he committed.

Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken, two forensic psychologists working in prisons, interview people who have committed offences to understand their lives and the causes of crime.

This is the story of Gary, who served a prison sentence for his role in the supply for £4.2million of heroin.
But this eye-catching conviction is only a fraction of Gary’s story.
Gary grew up in Dagenham, in Essex. Very early on in his life he developed strategies to help him fit in with other children in school – strategies that sparked a remarkable chain of events which have led him to imprisonment … and then into the world of conceptual art.
By casting our eye back to Gary’s childhood and early adulthood, it’s possible to see characteristics that would influence the pathway his life would take.
Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken are forensic psychologists who work in prisons.

They help people in prison to look at the harm they’ve caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they’ve been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Gary’s story, to understand the sequence of events that got Gary to the point where he committed a crime.
For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie
Editor: Clare Fordham
Behind the Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview Gary about his life and the crimes he committed.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken, two forensic psychologists working in prisons, interview people who have committed offences to understand their lives and the causes of crime.

'ian'2022081720221105 (R4)Their role is to help people who have committed crimes to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why, and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand someone whose crimes have led to harm and in some cases, imprisonment.

In this final episode they talk to Ian*, who pleaded guilty to the offence of indecent exposure. Ian received a non-custodial sentence, was placed on the register of sex offenders and was ordered to attend a sex offender treatment programme.

Ian's story is one of a compulsion that started early in childhood and continued into his adult years. By talking through the key moments in Ian's life and upbringing, we can start to understand how he, and others, reach the point where they cause harm through shameful acts that cause disgust to society.

Ian's conviction led to him seeking further help to curb his compulsions, and he has successfully learned how to live safely. His behaviour has been under control for over ten years, and his successful treatment may have prevented further, far more serious harm happening in the future.

Ian engaged with a specialist charity called StopSO, which offers treatment to perpetrators and offers support for survivors of sexual offending. www.stopso.org.uk

*Ian's name has been changed to protect his identity.

A warning that some people may find this programme distressing.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Hugh Levinson

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview 'Ian' about his life and the crime he committed.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Khamran2022081020221029 (R4)As a society, we send close to 100,000 people to prison each year. Criminal behaviour costs the country around £60 billion every year, according to Home Office research.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Their role is to help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

In this second episode they talk to Khamran, who received a prison sentence as a teenager for a series of aggravated robberies.

Khamran was a boy who learned at school that putting on a cocky attitude was a way of deflecting some of the racist taunts and bullying that came his way. Sally and Kerensa get behind that front to discover what was really making Khamran tick. They pick up the key moments that could have changed the course of his life, and the lives of his victims.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Khamran's story, to understand the sequence of external influences that got Khamran to the point where he was causing harm to himself, to others and to society as a whole.

Today, Khamran is married with a child and studying business alongside working part-time.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Hugh Levinson

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview Khamran about his life and the crimes he committed.

Marc20231217This is the story of a man who learnt early on in life that he couldn't trust the police, and that his group of older friends could protect him from harm. It happened that those friends were into committing crime.

Between the ages of 15 and 21, Marc only spent one Christmas out of prison. He graduated from stealing hubcaps to committing armed robberies.

During his last sentence, he ended up in HMP Grendon – a prison run on the principles of a ‘therapeutic community' – where, for the first time, Marc was forced to confront his own actions and account for them not to the authorities, but to his peers.

HMP Grendon was ‘the hardest prison' Marc had ever done. He cried for the first time inside Grendon.

And then, in an extraordinary twist, Marc was forced to use some of the ‘skills' he had learned during his criminal career to save the lives of others – and he was labelled a hero.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

They help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Marc's story, to understand the sequence of events that got Marc to the point where he committed a crime.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Clare Fordham

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview Marc about his life and the crime he committed.

Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken, two forensic psychologists working in prisons, interview people who have committed offences to understand their lives and the causes of crime.

This is the story of a man who learnt early on in life that he couldn’t trust the police, and that his group of older friends could protect him from harm. It happened that those friends were into committing crime.
Between the ages of 15 and 21, Marc only spent one Christmas out of prison. He graduated from stealing hubcaps to committing armed robberies.
During his last sentence, he ended up in HMP Grendon – a prison run on the principles of a ‘therapeutic community’ – where, for the first time, Marc was forced to confront his own actions and account for them not to the authorities, but to his peers.
HMP Grendon was ‘the hardest prison’ Marc had ever done. He cried for the first time inside Grendon.
And then, in an extraordinary twist, Marc was forced to use some of the ‘skills’ he had learned during his criminal career to save the lives of others – and he was labelled a hero.
Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken are forensic psychologists who work in prisons.

They help people in prison to look at the harm they’ve caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they’ve been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Marc’s story, to understand the sequence of events that got Marc to the point where he committed a crime.
For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie
Editor: Clare Fordham
Behind the Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association.

Two forensic psychologists interview Marc about his life and the crime he committed.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Sally Tilt and Dr Kerensa Hocken, two forensic psychologists working in prisons, interview people who have committed offences to understand their lives and the causes of crime.

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Criminal behaviour costs the country around £60 billion every year, according to Home Office research.

Is it possible to prevent crime by understanding the root causes of offending behaviour?

Their role is to help people in prison to look at the harm they've caused to other people, understand why it happened and work out how to make changes to prevent further harm after they've been released.

In Behind the Crime, they take the time to understand the life of someone whose crimes have led to harm and, in some cases, imprisonment.

In this episode they talk to Sinem who was imprisoned for trafficking drugs into a prison while she was working as a prison officer.

This is the story of a young woman who made a catastrophic decision under the pressures of a terrifying domestic situation, and paid a heavy price. But when we dig back into her earliest experiences, we can start to see some of the reasons why she made that decision.

The job of the forensic psychologists is to dig deep into Sinem's story, to understand the sequence of external influences that got Sinem to the point where she committed a crime.

Today, Sinem is a lecturer in criminology at the University of Westminster, and uses her own experiences to help young people understand the world of crime and justice.

For details of organisations that can provide help and support, visit bbc.co.uk/actionline

Producer: Andrew Wilkie

Editor: Clare Fordham

~Behind The Crime is a co-production between BBC Long Form Audio and the Prison Radio Association

Two forensic psychologists interview Sinem about her life and the crimes she committed.